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The Superwall Podcast · 2026-06-04

Drew Levin - I Studied 1,000,000 UGC Ads, This Is What Will Grow Your App

SideShift co-founder/CTO Drew Levin describes what he sees across UGC programs on the creator marketplace: viral-by-design features and controversy angles, 1:10 campaign-manager-to-creator ratios, standardized creator onboarding, engagement-rate thresholds for Spark and partnership ads, cross-post pay-the-best-platform deals, non-stacked capped view bonuses (e.g. $800/month for 60 videos) and sub-$1 all-in CPMs for top programs. Also covers how SideShift built creator supply with a 6-hour training course and by fronting unpaid brand payouts.

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Suno · B2C · AI music app

Called the easiest way to go viral; no numbers

AI products should lean into the fact that people hate AI (Suno's TikTok comments are full of 'this is unfair to artists'); health/peptide brands do the same with 'this is so bad for you'. Get under people's skin while still showing value, without putting down other brands.

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SideShift · B2B · UGC creator marketplace

Talking-head version got 9.6M views; 6-7 of ~15 early videos hit 150-300K

To recruit creators, SideShift's co-founder Nick posted his own non-talking video (April of the prior year): big on-screen text 'I have a master's degree / PhD and couldn't find a job' at the bottom, pointing at a screen with facial expressions (hook + demo), riding job-market anger. Once cracked, the format was given to all creators; variants like 'I graduated from Yale and can't even get an interview'. A year later a campaign manager turned it into a one-minute talking-head story ('denied from a cashier's job, I have a master's degree') ending with 'but I'm making money with SideShift'.

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Practitioner pattern · Drew Levin (SideShift)

Common to every successful creator campaign he sees

A founder or campaign manager must be hands-on at the start: find videos already going viral in the niche and give them to creators to copy; in the first three days of a campaign, review every video before it posts and give lots of feedback. Hire a campaign manager as soon as affordable. Be patient - week-one virality is not the norm.

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Suno · B2C · AI music app

Every long-running successful program has many managers

Campaign managers keep creators posting on time with good CTAs, recruit new creators and fire weak ones quickly (low-ticket videos mean high churn). Ratio 1:10, up to 1:15; under 5 creators per manager wastes money. Content coaches (optional) work on delivery: pace, tone, eye contact at set moments. Founders hand off once CPMs hold under ~$4-5; the top 50 SideShift programs' founders only do payouts and month-end check-ins but step in when CPMs rise.

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SideShift · B2B · UGC creator marketplace

CPMs well under $1; also lifts the account's later organic views

Rank candidates by comment sentiment (e.g. 'what is that app?') first, then engagement rate, then average views. Spark when engagement is above ~7.5-10% or a video does 3-5x the account's average views. Let organic climb first: if still gaining (e.g. 100K/day) wait 1-2 days. Start with ~$20 (SideShift runs $50-100/day per video for a week); keep running while CPMs don't rise; CPMs usually rise when engagement falls from ~15% to ~5%, then kill it. Exclude sparked views from creator view bonuses. Can add an app-install anchor to track CPI. Spark can also be targeted by country/language/age.

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GoWish · B2C · wishlist app

Hit #1 on the App Store, secondhand; cheapest acquisition

An agency on SideShift ran GoWish's UGC campaign and pushed it mainly through Spark ads.

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Practitioner pattern · Drew Levin (SideShift)

Converts better than TikTok's boosted creator ads in general

Partnership ads (creator gives a code, brand runs the post in Ads Manager) are Meta's Spark equivalent and work even on small UGC accounts with a few thousand followers. On Meta use targeting early; on TikTok Spark optimize for reach. Both beat whitelisted ads from the brand account. Have creators OAuth accounts so Spark codes are delivered automatically.

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Clue · B2C · brand with cross-post creator deals

Spreading among brands; adds reach while hedging pay; no numbers

Each video is posted to TikTok, Instagram, YouTube and Snapchat; the view-based pay (CPM) is paid only on the best-performing of the four (SideShift detects it automatically). Recommended for all creators since cross-posting is little extra effort.

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Practitioner pattern · Drew Levin (SideShift)

CPMs fall from $5-8 in month 1 to ~$0.80-0.90 at $100K+/month

Top programs: $800/month for 60 unique videos (2/day, each cross-posted to 4 platforms = 8 posts/day) for creators with 1-2 prior campaigns; new creators $200-300 or CPM-only for the same package. View bonuses are tiered but not stacked (hit 1M -> the $1,000 tier replaces the $100 tier at 100K). Cap the last bonus at a view count (e.g. $500-800 at 1M views), not a time window, so creators feel they're winning; views after the cap are 'free views', which matter a lot above $30-50K/month spend. Don't outprice the market.

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A startup that capped creator pay · B2C · SideShift customer

Paid ~$4K instead of ~$75K for 180M views; creator left

A startup capped a creator's monthly CPM payout; he got ~180M views in two weeks (one 45M-view video) and was paid ~$4K instead of ~$75K uncapped.

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An e-commerce brand paying on performance · B2C · discussed example

One creator made 35 videos before earning; hurts loyalty

Brand asks creators for e.g. 10 ad creatives with nothing up front, paying a percentage of ad spend or of tracked sales if an ad is run and wins.

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Brex · B2B · corporate cards

'Really good results', secondhand; very cheap CPMs

Brex used SideShift UGC to acquire credit-card customers; Spark lets B2B brands target specific audiences with organic-style videos.

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A top SideShift creator's multi-brand account

'Somehow this is working'; no conversion numbers

Instead of a new account per brand posting 1-2x/day, a top creator grew one account to 10K followers for one brand, then reused it for other brands, posting daily 10-minute storytelling videos with the CTA dropped at minute nine.

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SideShift · B2B · UGC creator marketplace

Creators earn ~$10-15K after 1-2 months; early quality complaints

Rather than recruiting existing creators, SideShift 'mints' supply: anyone can join and take a ~6-hour Duolingo-style course on making UGC for apps (more money and time went into it than into the product). Creators progress to campaign managers, then to their own UGC agencies run on SideShift, which SideShift supports with referrals.

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SideShift · B2B · UGC creator marketplace

Extreme creator loyalty and referrals; costs up to ~six figures/month

When a brand fails to pay a creator what they're owed, SideShift pays the creator itself, costing up to almost six figures a month.

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Suno · B2C · AI music app

#1 in the App Store music category, secondhand

Suno (guest's estimate): ~8 creator managers who also coach; a few also create content; they manage, oversee and recruit creators. No separate coaches.

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Numbers mentioned

WhoMetricValueContextWhen
SideShiftcustomers5,000 brands/month
approximate
new brand accounts created per month8:55
SideShiftusers850K creators
approximate
registered creators49:19
SideShiftusers150K creators/month
approximate
monthly active creators49:19
SideShiftcount100 campaign managers
approximate
vetted campaign managers available for hire on the platform49:40
SideShiftcostthousands, almost six figures a month
approximate
operating cost; creator payouts SideShift fronts when brands fail to pay28:30
SideShiftcreator payUSD 10K–15Kper creator
approximate
what creators earn after 1-2 months on SideShift; period not stated, likely monthly25:40
SideShiftcount6 hours
approximate
length of Duolingo-style creator training course; more money/time spent on it than on the product25:18
SideShiftviews9.6M viewsper videocampaign manager's talking-head evolution of the 'master's degree, can't find a job' format17:58
SideShiftengagement rate16%per videosame 9.6M-view video17:58
SideShiftviews150K–300K viewsper video
approximate
6-7 of ~15 creator videos using the co-founder's cracked format19:59
benchmarkTikTok/UGC video engagement rate ((likes+comments+saves+shares)/views) considered goodengagement rate7.5–8%
approximate
'anything above 7.5-8%' is good18:23
benchmarkEngagement rate above which a UGC video tends to go very viralengagement rate12%
approximate
18:23
benchmarkEngagement rate at which to kill a Spark ad (CPMs start rising)engagement rate5%
approximate
37:03
benchmarkInitial Spark ad test budget per videoad spendUSD 20per video
approximate
first test; elsewhere $50-100/day per video for a week31:36
benchmarkDaily Spark budget per video, run for a week at a timead spendUSD 50–100per video /day
approximate
36:59
aggregateSpark ads on high-engagement UGC videos across SideShift programscpmUSD 1
approximate
30:18
aggregateSideShift programs: organic UGC ROAS vs Spark ROASroas+15–20%
estimate
organic returns ~15-20% better than Spark, whose ROAS correlates with organic32:51
benchmarkCampaign managers to creators ratio in UGC programscount10–15 creatorsper campaign manager
approximate
1:10 is the winning ratio; up to 15; under 5 wastes money11:15
benchmarkUGC program CPM at which founders can step back from day-to-daycpmUSD 4–5
approximate
consistently sub $4-512:22
benchmarkAll-in UGC program CPM, month 1 (retainers + bonuses)cpmUSD 5–8
approximate
46:26
benchmarkAll-in UGC program CPM by month 3cpmUSD 2–3
approximate
46:32
aggregateAll-in CPM (retainers + bonuses) of SideShift programs spending >$100K/monthcpmUSD 0.8–0.9
approximate
47:53
benchmarkUGC program monthly spend above which 'free views' (post-cap views) become significantmarketing spendUSD 30K–50K/month
approximate
44:28
aggregateBest-paying UGC programs on SideShift: retainer for experienced creatorscreator payUSD 800per creator /month
approximate
for 60 unique videos (2/day), each cross-posted to 4 platforms, plus non-stacked view bonuses; creators with 1-2 prior campaigns43:38
aggregateUGC programs on SideShift: retainer for new creatorscreator payUSD 200–300per creator /month
approximate
same 60-video package, or CPM-only46:04
aggregatePopular UGC creator deal ~4 months earlier: base retainercreator payUSD 400per creator
approximate
'$400 base, $2 CPM' deal; period not stated43:33
aggregatePopular UGC creator deal ~4 months earlier: view bonus ratecpmUSD 2
approximate
creator view bonus paid per 1,000 views43:33
aggregateHost's guess at typical UGC retainer per videocreator payUSD 10–30per video
estimate
43:23
SideShift customer program shown on dashboardcount10K posts
approximate
29:12
SideShift customer program shown on dashboardviews500M views
approximate
29:12
SideShift customer program shown on dashboardcount14M engagements
approximate
29:12
SideShift customer program shown on dashboardrank1 rank29:18
Sunorank1 rankApp Store music category10:22
Sunoteam size8 creator managers
estimate
10:40
GoWishrank1 rankalmost entirely from Spark ads30:28
startup that capped a viral creator's monthly CPM payoutviews180M views
approximate
one creator's Instagram account in ~2 weeks, including a 45M-view video45:09
startup that capped a viral creator's monthly CPM payoutcreator payUSD 4,000per creator /month
approximate
actual capped monthly payout45:20
startup that capped a viral creator's monthly CPM payoutcreator payUSD 75Kper creator /month
estimate
what he would have earned without the cap45:20
study tool app (host's example)mrrUSD 20K
estimate
attributed to a single video by a creator with ~100K followers on a fresh account49:02
e-commerce brand with performance-only creator dealscount35 videos
approximate
videos one creator made before earning a dollar on a performance-only deal41:12
personA top SideShift creator's multi-brand accountfollowers10K followers
approximate
account grown for one brand, then reused for other brands5:25
personA top SideShift creator's multi-brand accountcount16
approximate
'average watch time' of his 10-minute videos; unit not stated (seconds or %)5:29