The Superwall Podcast · 2026-06-04
Drew Levin - I Studied 1,000,000 UGC Ads, This Is What Will Grow Your App
SideShift co-founder/CTO Drew Levin describes what he sees across UGC programs on the creator marketplace: viral-by-design features and controversy angles, 1:10 campaign-manager-to-creator ratios, standardized creator onboarding, engagement-rate thresholds for Spark and partnership ads, cross-post pay-the-best-platform deals, non-stacked capped view bonuses (e.g. $800/month for 60 videos) and sub-$1 all-in CPMs for top programs. Also covers how SideShift built creator supply with a 6-hour training course and by fronting unpaid brand payouts.
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Numbers mentioned
| Who | Metric | Value | Context | When |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| SideShift | customers | 5,000 brands/month approximate | new brand accounts created per month | 8:55 |
| SideShift | users | 850K creators approximate | registered creators | 49:19 |
| SideShift | users | 150K creators/month approximate | monthly active creators | 49:19 |
| SideShift | count | 100 campaign managers approximate | vetted campaign managers available for hire on the platform | 49:40 |
| SideShift | cost | thousands, almost six figures a month approximate | operating cost; creator payouts SideShift fronts when brands fail to pay | 28:30 |
| SideShift | creator pay | USD 10K–15Kper creator approximate | what creators earn after 1-2 months on SideShift; period not stated, likely monthly | 25:40 |
| SideShift | count | 6 hours approximate | length of Duolingo-style creator training course; more money/time spent on it than on the product | 25:18 |
| SideShift | views | 9.6M viewsper video | campaign manager's talking-head evolution of the 'master's degree, can't find a job' format | 17:58 |
| SideShift | engagement rate | 16%per video | same 9.6M-view video | 17:58 |
| SideShift | views | 150K–300K viewsper video approximate | 6-7 of ~15 creator videos using the co-founder's cracked format | 19:59 |
| benchmarkTikTok/UGC video engagement rate ((likes+comments+saves+shares)/views) considered good | engagement rate | 7.5–8% approximate | 'anything above 7.5-8%' is good | 18:23 |
| benchmarkEngagement rate above which a UGC video tends to go very viral | engagement rate | 12% approximate | 18:23 | |
| benchmarkEngagement rate at which to kill a Spark ad (CPMs start rising) | engagement rate | 5% approximate | 37:03 | |
| benchmarkInitial Spark ad test budget per video | ad spend | USD 20per video approximate | first test; elsewhere $50-100/day per video for a week | 31:36 |
| benchmarkDaily Spark budget per video, run for a week at a time | ad spend | USD 50–100per video /day approximate | 36:59 | |
| aggregateSpark ads on high-engagement UGC videos across SideShift programs | cpm | USD 1 approximate | 30:18 | |
| aggregateSideShift programs: organic UGC ROAS vs Spark ROAS | roas | +15–20% estimate | organic returns ~15-20% better than Spark, whose ROAS correlates with organic | 32:51 |
| benchmarkCampaign managers to creators ratio in UGC programs | count | 10–15 creatorsper campaign manager approximate | 1:10 is the winning ratio; up to 15; under 5 wastes money | 11:15 |
| benchmarkUGC program CPM at which founders can step back from day-to-day | cpm | USD 4–5 approximate | consistently sub $4-5 | 12:22 |
| benchmarkAll-in UGC program CPM, month 1 (retainers + bonuses) | cpm | USD 5–8 approximate | 46:26 | |
| benchmarkAll-in UGC program CPM by month 3 | cpm | USD 2–3 approximate | 46:32 | |
| aggregateAll-in CPM (retainers + bonuses) of SideShift programs spending >$100K/month | cpm | USD 0.8–0.9 approximate | 47:53 | |
| benchmarkUGC program monthly spend above which 'free views' (post-cap views) become significant | marketing spend | USD 30K–50K/month approximate | 44:28 | |
| aggregateBest-paying UGC programs on SideShift: retainer for experienced creators | creator pay | USD 800per creator /month approximate | for 60 unique videos (2/day), each cross-posted to 4 platforms, plus non-stacked view bonuses; creators with 1-2 prior campaigns | 43:38 |
| aggregateUGC programs on SideShift: retainer for new creators | creator pay | USD 200–300per creator /month approximate | same 60-video package, or CPM-only | 46:04 |
| aggregatePopular UGC creator deal ~4 months earlier: base retainer | creator pay | USD 400per creator approximate | '$400 base, $2 CPM' deal; period not stated | 43:33 |
| aggregatePopular UGC creator deal ~4 months earlier: view bonus rate | cpm | USD 2 approximate | creator view bonus paid per 1,000 views | 43:33 |
| aggregateHost's guess at typical UGC retainer per video | creator pay | USD 10–30per video estimate | 43:23 | |
| SideShift customer program shown on dashboard | count | 10K posts approximate | 29:12 | |
| SideShift customer program shown on dashboard | views | 500M views approximate | 29:12 | |
| SideShift customer program shown on dashboard | count | 14M engagements approximate | 29:12 | |
| SideShift customer program shown on dashboard | rank | 1 rank | 29:18 | |
| Suno | rank | 1 rank | App Store music category | 10:22 |
| Suno | team size | 8 creator managers estimate | 10:40 | |
| GoWish | rank | 1 rank | almost entirely from Spark ads | 30:28 |
| startup that capped a viral creator's monthly CPM payout | views | 180M views approximate | one creator's Instagram account in ~2 weeks, including a 45M-view video | 45:09 |
| startup that capped a viral creator's monthly CPM payout | creator pay | USD 4,000per creator /month approximate | actual capped monthly payout | 45:20 |
| startup that capped a viral creator's monthly CPM payout | creator pay | USD 75Kper creator /month estimate | what he would have earned without the cap | 45:20 |
| study tool app (host's example) | mrr | USD 20K estimate | attributed to a single video by a creator with ~100K followers on a fresh account | 49:02 |
| e-commerce brand with performance-only creator deals | count | 35 videos approximate | videos one creator made before earning a dollar on a performance-only deal | 41:12 |
| personA top SideShift creator's multi-brand account | followers | 10K followers approximate | account grown for one brand, then reused for other brands | 5:25 |
| personA top SideShift creator's multi-brand account | count | 16 approximate | 'average watch time' of his 10-minute videos; unit not stated (seconds or %) | 5:29 |