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Sub Club by RevenueCat · 2026-03-07

The Art of Driving Retention Through Product – Ben Gammon, Ladder

Short Sub Club episode with Ben Gammon, VP of Product at Ladder (strength training app). Covers product-driven retention: working back from five-star reviews to a 3-workouts-a-week north star, the workout journal as a progress flywheel, coach voiceovers that teach features in the moment, the home-screen streak widget (~1/3 of users), large annual surveys over user interviews, and the nutrition launch where hybrid users convert and retain better.

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Ladder · B2C · strength training app

Became the goal the whole product is built around; no retention numbers given

Went through all five-star reviews; the common theme was 'getting results'. In fitness, results = consistency, so they set a north star of 4 workouts a week, later ratcheted down to 3 (backed by science). Product ethos 'don't make me think': user opens app, presses play, does the workout. Check marks, streaks and widget are all built around hitting 3 per week.

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Sub Club by RevenueCat · 2026-03-07

Ladder · B2C · strength training app

70-75% of users now log every workout; guest sees it correlate with retention

Journal layer inside each workout: user logs reps and weights (distance for cardio). Next time that movement comes up, recommended weights are prefilled from the logged data. After each workout a recap shows progress since starting (e.g. '62% increase in dumbbell bench press'), PRs across movements, and journal history lives on the profile, building stored state that makes the app sticky.

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Sub Club by RevenueCat · 2026-03-07

Ladder · B2C · strength training app

Journal use climbed to 70-75% of workouts; guest calls it 10x more effective than FAQs

A 'welcome workout' where the coach voiceover explains the exercise and why, and also tells users to pop up the journal, swipe up and input weights, and why it matters. Coaches keep dropping reminders in regular workouts ('check your journal for last week's weight'). Same approach used to drive widget adoption. Push/email come after as outer layers.

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Sub Club by RevenueCat · 2026-03-07

Ladder · B2C · strength training app

About a third of users have it; guest sees it correlate with retention

Calendar widget lights up each day a workout is completed and launches workouts. Not shown as the first thing (trust not yet earned); positioned later, made to look good, with step-by-step install instructions since most people don't know how to add widgets. Acts as a home-screen billboard reminding users of their third workout, and strangers who see it ask about it.

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Sub Club by RevenueCat · 2026-03-07

Ladder · B2C · strength training app

Guest says it reinforces the 3-a-week habit; no numbers

Keep the in-product 'game' very simple: a check mark for each completed workout; three check marks in a week earns that week's streak. The widget carries the streak outside the app.

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Sub Club by RevenueCat · 2026-03-07

Ladder · B2C · strength training app

7,500+ responses in a year; led directly to the nutrition feature

Three feedback buckets: (1) acute pain via in-app feedback forms that flow into Slack; (2) ad hoc plus recurring surveys, including an end-of-year survey of 80-90 multiple-choice and open-ended questions taking 45+ minutes, parsed with AI; (3) dogfooding by staff (encouraged, not required). Gives little weight to 5-10 person interviews in a diverse consumer base; takes care to write unbiased, non-leading questions.

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Sub Club by RevenueCat · 2026-03-07

Ladder · B2C · strength training app

Early read: users doing both convert and stay much more; no numbers yet

Nutrition was the clearest signal in the end-of-2024 survey. Researched from first principles what methods work and what users use today; built over ~a year (started early last year) and launched. Because 100 days is too short for retention, they judge it with compressed indicators: week 2/3/4 retention and whether users log consistently on day 1 and day 2. They segment 'hybrid users' who use both workouts and nutrition.

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Sub Club by RevenueCat · 2026-03-07

Numbers mentioned

WhoMetricValueContextWhen
Laddercount3 workoutsper user /week
goal
North-star consistency target per user (ratcheted down from 4, 'backed by science')
Laddershare70–75%
approximate
Share of users who use the journal (log reps/weights) for each workout; started lower
Laddershare33%
approximate
Share of users who have the home-screen widget installed
Laddercount7,500 responses/year
approximate
Responses to the annual end-of-year user survey (takes 45+ minutes to complete)
Laddercount80–90 questions
approximate
Questions in the end-of-2024 annual survey (multiple choice and open-ended)
Ladderconversion ratemuch higher for hybrid (workout + nutrition) new users
estimate
New-user conversion of hybrid users vs workout-only users, ~100 days after nutrition launch
Ladderretentionmuch more retentive for hybrid users
estimate
Retention of hybrid (workout + nutrition) users vs others; early read at ~100 days
personDavid Barnard (host) as a Ladder usergrowth rate+62%Dumbbell bench press increase since starting, shown in Ladder's post-workout progress recap