Zumba · dance fitness brand and app
Let people pick a plan in the app, then pay on a bare web page
Sign-ups fell 25% (35% at first) but lifetime value rose 17%
What they did
What happened
- Stage
- ~1 year after app launch
- Effort
- Two A/B test iterations, 50/50 split
In their words
Optimizing Funnels, Pricing, and Retention at Zumba — Nicole Page & Lucy Levy, Zumba
Lucy Levyuh we've done two iterations of of testing, and what we've seen is that there is definitely an initial drop in conversion, so we lose about 35% of the people converting either to a trial or a paid.
Lucy LevySo our pricing is we have annual at $99 with a seven-day trial, and we also have the $14.99 monthly price with no trial. So we've seen that that initial conversion, we saw a drop initially of about 35%.
Lucy LevyWith the second iteration, we managed to improve that to about 25% drop instead of 30 35%. But because conversion from trial to paid on the annuals is much better on web, we recoup some of that loss.
Lucy LevyAnd on top of that, obviously through web, we have much better retention, and the lifetime value therefore it's better, and we avoid the Apple Apple fees. So when we look at everything together, we see a 17% lift on lifetime value that more than offsets the drop in in the initial conversion.
Nicole PaigeWe use the RevenueCat tools to build this so that initially we tested, before the package selection feature was available with RevenueCat, we initially tested just letting people check out click the app paywall, go to the web, and we compared that against just the in-app paywall. And then once RevenueCat released
Nicole Paigethe package selection, we developed it so that users could actually choose which one they wanted, monthly or annually, which package, and once they chose that, we would send them to the web, and we gave them the most stripped-down
Nicole Paigeview on the web, where we just showed them what they selected. We tried to replicate how Apple has that view, has that window on the app when you do an in-app purchase, so that it looks very familiar, and that actually helped us with the conversion a lot, as Lucy mentioned.
David BarnardSo with the paywall, are you showing in-app and web, or are you showing only web, and then in these experiments, were you AB testing specifically one paywall that was only in-app purchase and one paywall that was only web? Or tell me what how you've been setting up those paywall tests more specifically.
David BarnardNice. Yeah, I I can see why that's increasing conversion. That's the next test we should probably do with the with the Dipsea paywall on the web.
Lucy LevyOne debate that we had internally was whether we give an extra incentive to get people to subscribe through web, but we decided to test it without it, because obviously we wanted the help on the on the lifetime value, so we didn't want to give that extra incentive. And and I don't know that people know so much the difference between, you know, with this seamless experience, I don't think there is a there is so much hesitation, and we're seeing it in the numbers, right?
Lucy LevyWe still have room for improvement in that initial conversion, but I think we've done we've done well. This is one of the most successful tests that we've had.
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- Show the paywall right after onboarding, before people see the appHelped overall conversion; no numbers given
- Give non-payers one free beginner class, then show the paywall when they stopHundreds of thousands of views; that paywall converts well, but no numbers
- Push new users to finish 3 classes: default weekly goal of 3 and a counterUsers who reach 3 classes are much more likely to stay
- After each class, celebrate, ask how hard it was, and suggest the next classMore people come back for their next class; no numbers given
- Send workout reminders at the day and hour each user usually works out
- Add chat threads where users talk about classes and their health journeyUsers didn't engage; feature turned off
- Drop the free trial on the monthly plan and cut it from $19.99 to $14.99Great results per the guest; annual mix rose from ~30% to ~60% (other changes too)
- Give only a 7-day free trial on the annual plan, priced at $99Trial-to-paid rose from the 30s to ~56%; no drop in trial starts
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- Build the app for shy beginners with easy, high-quality classes70-75% of new users say they're beginners; credited as a big retention shift
- Treat every launch as a test and check the numbers every morningGuests credit it for fast iteration; no numbers
- Run one instructor training and continue only if 60+ people show upAbout 120 came, double the bar; became the core instructor business
- Label the paywall button "Start Today"Won an A/B test of several button labels; no numbers
- Test sending paywall taps to a web checkout pageRealized LTV down 6% at first; fewer web subscribers turned off auto-renew
Tags: ios, android, web, app-to-web, web-checkout, stripe, store-fees, ab-test, ltv