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The Superwall Podcast · 2026-04-03

Koby Conrad - I speedran an ai app from 0 to $1m/yr in 10 months

Koby Conrad (ex-head of growth at Rupa Health) explains how Sunflower, an AI-powered addiction recovery app, reached ~$1M ARR and 10,000 paying subscribers in ~10 months. Growth came mainly from hiring the top sobriety influencer (Mr. Impulsive) as 'VP of Sobriety' on salary and equity, driving 50-100K link clicks a month. Monetization moved from free to monthly, then default annual, a trial toggle, lower prices, and a trial-reminder screen that lifted revenue ~48%. Also covers being the biggest sponsor, the AI sponsor 'Sam', and fundraising decks.

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Sunflower · B2C · addiction recovery app

50-100K link clicks a month from one creator; founder calls it the core of go-to-market

Before Sunflower had any revenue or monetization, hunted down the #1 sobriety influencer (Eric, 'Mr. Impulsive', 50-100M views/month, biggest on Facebook Reels then TikTok) and made him 'VP of Sobriety' with salary and equity instead of paying per post. Pitched it as a mission and a go-to-market role, not a post buy. He links the app in all his content, sits in the company Slack where the team shares user feedback ('this app saved my life'), knows the roadmap, and iterates on how he drives link clicks. Supplemented by a few smaller influencers and paid ads. Guest says the same was done at Reddit and Replicate; for bootstrappers suggests pitching a big creator a 50/50 partnership where you build an app for their audience.

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The Superwall Podcast · 2026-04-03

Function Health · B2C · health testing membership

Given as an example of the approach working; no numbers

Function Health, building in functional medicine, recruited Mark Hyman (described as the godfather of functional medicine) to be the face of the company rather than running many small influencer deals.

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The Superwall Podcast · 2026-04-03

Rupa Health · B2B · functional medicine lab testing

Founder says it beats small test buys: better treatment and brand effect; no numbers

At Rupa (~$500K/year on conferences), instead of buying a small $5K booth to test, asked for the biggest package (e.g. a $100K 'gold executive' tier) and then offered more ($200K) in exchange for custom perks: private dinners, speaker slots, direct access to the email list, logo on lanyards. Same principle applied to influencers: never be the smallest sponsor; be the one whose loss would hurt their P&L, so they look after you and audiences see you as the headliner.

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The Superwall Podcast · 2026-04-03

Sunflower · B2C · addiction recovery app

Ugly v1 grew into the current product; no early numbers given

Non-technical founder went through a coding boot camp (2020-2021) and built v1 himself because nobody would build it: a sobriety timer, sunflower graphics bought on Fiverr, and a simple CRUD journal. Launched on Product Hunt, then improved step by step.

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The Superwall Podcast · 2026-04-03

Sunflower · B2C · addiction recovery app

Free model failed: investors wanted revenue and AI costs hit hundreds of thousands

Launched as a free product inspired by Duolingo's years of free growth, aiming to collect users and monetize later. Investors wanted revenue, and AI token costs scaled to hundreds of thousands of dollars, so introduced a first paywall with a single monthly subscription.

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The Superwall Podcast · 2026-04-03

Sunflower · B2C · addiction recovery app

Adding annual brought some annual revenue; defaulting to it brought 'a lot more'

Moved from a monthly-only paywall to adding an annual plan, then made the annual plan (paid upfront, no trial) the default selection, since paying annually right away is the best action for a consumer app. Also offers weekly, monthly and annual so users self-select.

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The Superwall Podcast · 2026-04-03

Sunflower · B2C · addiction recovery app

Made more money than the default-annual paywall; no numbers

Copied Tolan's paywall pattern: pay-first default with a toggle that lets users switch to a free trial.

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The Superwall Podcast · 2026-04-03

Sunflower · B2C · addiction recovery app

Lower prices made more money; no numbers given

Because people struggling with addiction are very price-sensitive and often short on money, tested lowering prices rather than raising them.

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The Superwall Podcast · 2026-04-03

Sunflower · B2C · addiction recovery app

+48% revenue, +70% annual revenue, +46% trial conversions, +30% trial starts

A/B tested a priming screen right before the paywall with the mascot bee: 'We want you to try Sunflower for free. We'll remind you before your trial ends,' then shows the paywall. Addresses trial anxiety. Tested a couple of versions of the screen.

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The Superwall Podcast · 2026-04-03

Sunflower · B2C · addiction recovery app

Timer is the most important feature; AI chat alone had poor retention

The sobriety timer (how long you've been sober) is the core job to be done; the team focuses on making it as motivating as possible and bundles AI sponsor, tools, community and content around it. Guest says the AI companion alone would have horrible engagement, retention and payment.

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The Superwall Podcast · 2026-04-03

Sunflower · B2C · addiction recovery app

4M+ messages handled in a year; users say it saved their lives

Started as a ChatGPT wrapper, then prompt optimization, then an agent ('Sam') with app-wide context and memory: proactively follows up (e.g. on payday), replies to posts in the community, runs prompted sessions. Risky conversations escalate to a clinical team under a VP of Therapy; biometrics and data erasure protect users from abusive partners. Next: integration with a teletherapy clinic (relapse scores to therapists, homework follow-ups).

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The Superwall Podcast · 2026-04-03

Sunflower · B2C · addiction recovery app

First user-focused deck failed; the revenue-and-future deck raised post-YC

First deck led with the founder's track record (Rupa 5 to 75M, 4,000% UA growth), ~23K MAU, 762 reviews and a 1M downloads/month dream; it largely failed. Post-YC deck: a big future market, proof of product-market fit and outcomes (users staying sober), positioning within AI, a revenue chart going up (not users), and a letter of intent for a pilot to show a bigger market.

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The Superwall Podcast · 2026-04-03

Sunflower · B2C · addiction recovery app

$100K of own money plus ~$350K from his network after years of no funding

After 3-4 years of failing to fund the idea (even after growing Rupa), put in $100K of his own money and pitched people who had profited from Rupa's exit to invest.

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The Superwall Podcast · 2026-04-03

Numbers mentioned

WhoMetricValueContextWhen
SunflowerarrUSD 1M/year
approximate
annualized run rate, reached in ~10 months2:50
Sunflowertime to milestone10 months
approximate
zero to $1M annualized run rate2:50
Sunflowerpaying users10K subscribers
approximate
2:50
personEric (Mr. Impulsive), sobriety influencer and Sunflower's VP of Sobrietyviews50M–100M views/month
approximate
3:32
personEric (Mr. Impulsive), sobriety influencer and Sunflower's VP of Sobrietyfollowers3.5M followers
approximate
54:41
Sunflowercount50K–100K clicks/month
approximate
link clicks to Sunflower from Eric's content alone4:40
SunflowercpmUSD 0.1
approximate
host's read of Sunflower's influencer-driven CPM; guest responds about sponsorship arbitrage without confirming the figure31:06
personKoby Conrad's career influencer marketing spend across companiesmarketing spendUSD 10M–20M
estimate
influencer marketing over the last 10 years4:58
Rupa Healthmarketing spendUSD 500K/year
approximate
conference sponsorships31:34
Rupa HealthrevenueUSD 75M
approximate
grew from ~$5M to ~$75M over 3.5 years while the guest led growth (revenue basis not stated explicitly)37:31
Rupa Healthgrowth rate+4,000%
approximate
user acquisition scale-up at Rupa, per the guest's first pitch deck40:52
Rupa Healthexit pricenine figures
approximate
39:53
Sunflowerfunding raisedUSD 6.5M
approximate
YC, a16z Speedrun, Flybridge-led seed, angels38:29
Sunflowerfunding raisedUSD 350K/one-time
approximate
first small round from people the founder had made rich at Rupa40:26
Sunflowerfunding raisedUSD 100K/one-time
approximate
founder's own money put in before the first outside round39:53
Sunflowerusers23K users
approximate
monthly active users at the time of the first pitch deck (free product)41:09
Sunflowercount762 reviewsapp store reviews at the time of the first pitch deck41:09
Sunflowercosthundreds of thousands of dollars
approximate
AI token costs while the product was free44:00
SunflowerpriceUSD 9/month
approximate
monthly plan (host-stated)43:27
SunflowerpriceUSD 35/year
approximate
annual plan (host-stated)43:27
Sunflowerrevenue+56%
approximate
revenue lift from adding trial reminders (first statement; revised to 48% when showing the data)46:09
Sunflowerrevenue+48%revenue lift from adding a trial-reminder screen before the paywall (A/B test data shown on screen)46:37
Sunflowerrevenue+70%annual-plan revenue lift from the trial-reminder test46:37
Sunflowerconversion rate+46%trial -> paid conversions lift from the trial-reminder test, read off screen by host46:59
Sunflowertrial starts+30%trial starts lift from the trial-reminder test, read off screen by host46:59
Sunflowercount4M messages/year
approximate
messages handled by the AI sponsor Sam in the last year52:45
Sunflowercount109 years/day
approximate
years' worth of sobriety tracked in the app every day52:45
Sunflowerteam size5 engineers
approximate
senior software engineers21:08
marketpeople worldwide trying to stay sober from something (guest's framing of the job to be done)market size1,200M people
estimate
17:35
marketpeople struggling with addiction who never access any careshare90%
approximate
53:30
Sunflowerfunding raisedUSD 40M–50M/one-time
goal
hoped-for Series A to build owned media and follower base54:41