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The Superwall Podcast · 2025-08-04

Yev Marusenko - How I Grow Viral Apps to 1M+ Downloads (just copy me)

Yev Marusenko, head of growth at AI learning app Sizzle AI and owner of 10+ faceless YouTube Shorts channels, on combining organic and paid: put a few dollars behind every organic creator video to surface outliers (20-30 videos per winner), scale winners with headline and country variants, and use the winning ad as a traffic firehose for weekly in-app paywall and onboarding tests (cost per purchase $500 to $300 in days). Also: fixing the biggest funnel drop-off for 2-3x jumps, attribution triangulation (reported purchases ~half of real), and a $5K test budget plan.

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Sizzle AI · B2C · AI learning app

2-3x more users reaching the next step, vs ~10% gains from new features

Map every step from ad/organic content through install, app use, onboarding and paywall; find the step with the largest drop-off (Sizzle had one over 50%). Every team member attacks that step from their own expertise (onboarding, paywall, product). Yev says these fixes can land within a week, unlike quarter-long incremental feature optimization that gives ~10% improvements.

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The Superwall Podcast · 2025-08-04

Sizzle AI · B2C · AI learning app

One winner per 20-30 videos; the winner drove hundreds of purchases

Make many organic creator videos (multiple creators, multiple hook styles), then put the platform minimum behind each one rather than judging by organic views, since good videos sometimes flop on timing or the algorithm. TikTok: ~20 creatives at the $20 minimum each, can switch off after ~$5; Meta: 30-40 creatives at ~$1 each since it is easier to duplicate. Judge within hours on top-of-funnel clicks only: most get 0-2 clicks, one gets 5-20. Keep spending on that one to see whether it was a fluke, then track it down to purchases and make variations (change the first or last second). Mid-virality videos (top 25%) often convert better than the most viral, clickbaity ones. For a $5K starting budget he'd spread it over as many hypotheses as possible, aiming for 100 variations, and compress '500 videos' of learning into a week. Test the same creative across Google, YouTube, Meta and TikTok; one platform can give 2x results.

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The Superwall Podcast · 2025-08-04

Sizzle AI · B2C · AI learning app

A JoinBrands creator's TikTok hit 79K likes and became the top ad

Test several creator-sourcing routes in parallel: brand-creator marketplaces (JoinBrands, SideShift, Whop) plus Sizzle's own Discord, alongside in-house designers and contractors. Three goals: (1) raw creative that can be amplified with paid ads, (2) posting volume to trigger the TikTok algorithm, (3) creators posting in their own style on their own accounts, where existing followings and formats (e.g. covering the face and looking shocked) reach the algorithm differently.

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Sizzle AI · B2C · AI learning app

79K likes; this ending beat the creator's other endings

Structure of the winning study-app TikTok: (1) hook with no talking, just a shocked facial expression, copied from headlines/hooks working on other viral pages; (2) middle shows a product demo that calls out the target audience so viewers are relevant buyers; (3) a conclusion that differs from the rest of the video but keeps continuity, a pattern interrupt so people stay to the end. No call to action or heavy app naming: the paid ad adds the link, and comments ('What is the app?', 'this is like Quizlet') do the explaining. The goofy ending was the creator's own idea and beat his other endings.

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Sizzle AI · B2C · AI learning app

Cost per purchase fell from ~$500 to ~$300 within days

Take a winning (top-10%) creative and split paid traffic by goal. Most goes to 'crazy testing': send tens of thousands of installs in a few days into 3- and 4-way experiments on the paywall and other in-app steps, accepting up to ~$200 cost per purchase (vs $50-$100 profitability targets) as long as it isn't $1,000-$2,000. ~20% of traffic is held to profitability targets using churn (3-7 months) and LTV ($30-$70+ per purchase) by country and device. Keep the two data sets separate so a $300 CPA on test traffic doesn't lead to turning everything off. Also tried new audiences such as teachers and tutors.

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The Superwall Podcast · 2025-08-04

Sizzle AI · B2C · AI learning app

Winner scaled into hundreds of ads; one-word headline changes made a difference

Once a video wins, go 'deeper' before 'wider': keep creative and targeting constant and test one factor at a time, e.g. 10 headlines, cutting losers and rechecking weekly that the pattern holds. Then split by country and device (iOS converts much better) rather than student/interest targeting, since the algorithm finds the audience; TikTok works better for US targeting, Meta for global. Each country has its own LTV/MRR goals and may or may not get a free trial. Vary the intro or outro of the same creative to avoid fatigue, ending up with hundreds of ads per ad group. New audiences with different value propositions count as horizontal scaling. He moves through each layer within a week.

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The Superwall Podcast · 2025-08-04

Sizzle AI · B2C · AI learning app

Real purchases usually about double what the ad platform reports

Compare in-app analytics and own database with platform-reported numbers. Run lift studies: switch ads off completely to see how much sales fall, then back on. Compare 1-day vs 7-day windows (at least 10% of purchases arrive later), SKAN vs platform-reported (another 10-20%), and App Store Connect analytics by source (another 10-20% spillover from people who saw an ad then searched the store). Use the gap to justify scaling ads that look marginal in-platform.

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The Superwall Podcast · 2025-08-04

Sizzle AI · B2C · AI learning app

Surfaces ads and journeys with 10x higher purchase conversion

Set up ads-manager columns in funnel order: install, registration, engagement events, then each paywall step, plus custom metrics expressing step-to-step conversion as percentages so ads and ad sets can be compared directly. When scanning ~20 ads for outliers, look for higher step conversion and lower drop-off, not just cost per purchase. Same view by in-app journey: users who start with a particular product convert ~10x better than those who roam the app.

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The Superwall Podcast · 2025-08-04

Sizzle AI · B2C · AI learning app

Social proof: more purchases in some groups, neutral overall on assisted conversions

Run big variants first, then micro-variants within the winner, on a weekly cycle: three registration pages (cleaner, warmer, more social proof) and paywall variants (free vs paid plan comparison, more vs less detail). Track purchases and engagement together, since Sizzle wants students to actually learn and will pick a hybrid that doesn't cut engagement. Track assisted conversions per screen (screens that don't convert themselves but raise later purchases) as a tiebreaker when purchases are neutral.

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The Superwall Podcast · 2025-08-04

A faceless viral video channels · B2C · guest's own side business

26M views in 28 days on one channel; over a billion total, but low revenue

Over 10 faceless channels on YouTube Shorts/TikTok in easily automated or AI-made niches: fake text messages, SpongeBob and 'president head' comedy, oddly satisfying clips a few seconds long, crushing and breaking things. Everything rides on the first split second of attention and micro-storytelling.

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Take formats that go viral in unrelated niches (like his faceless YouTube channels) and apply them to the learning niche. Next strategy he is trying.

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The Superwall Podcast · 2025-08-04

Sizzle AI · B2C · AI learning app

Helped get the first users; no numbers

Sizzle's founder, a former Facebook VP of AI, announced the launch; connections and PR brought the first users rather than a from-scratch growth hack.

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Numbers mentioned

WhoMetricValueContextWhen
Sizzle AIdrop off50%
approximate
Largest single funnel step drop-off the team focused on (over 50%)2:42
Sizzle AIgrowth rate+2–3 x
approximate
Users reaching the next funnel stage after fixing the biggest drop-off, vs ~10% gains from feature optimizations3:17
Sizzle AIcount79K likesper videoLikes on the showcased creator TikTok (JoinBrands creator) later amplified as a paid ad8:42
Sizzle AIcount20–30 videos
approximate
Organic creator videos it took to find one clear winner11:27
Sizzle AInew customershundreds of purchases
approximate
Purchases attributed to the single winning TikTok creative run as a paid ad19:42
Sizzle AIcpaUSD 200per purchase
goal
Lenient cost-per-purchase target for ads whose job is feeding data into onboarding/paywall tests16:22
Sizzle AIcpaUSD 50–100per purchase
goal
Cost-per-purchase goals for profitability-focused ads (US targeting); $50 and $100 tiers16:22
Sizzle AIconversion rate1%
approximate
Install -> purchase on traffic sent into the onboarding flow17:02
Sizzle AIcpaUSD 500per purchase
approximate
Cost per purchase before rapid in-app testing (varies by targeting)18:19
Sizzle AIcpaUSD 300per purchase
approximate
Cost per purchase within days of 3-4-way paywall and in-app experiments on winning-ad traffic18:19
Sizzle AIchurn3–7 months
approximate
Average subscriber lifetime used to estimate LTV18:50
Sizzle AIltvUSD 30–70per purchase
estimate
Estimated value per purchase; higher for some products, countries and iOS18:50
Sizzle AIshare20%
approximate
Part of paid traffic held to profitability targets; the rest used for aggressive in-app testing19:19
Sizzle AIcount10 headlinesper creative
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Headline variants tested on one winning creative19:19
Sizzle AIattribution gap2 x
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Real purchases vs purchases reported in the ad platform (usually about double)22:11
Sizzle AIshare10%
approximate
At least this share of purchases arrive later than 1 day after the ad (1-day vs 7-day window)22:44
Sizzle AIshare10–20%
approximate
Extra purchases seen via SKAN and other attribution methods beyond platform-reported22:44
Sizzle AIshare10–20%
approximate
Additional spillover purchases (saw ad, later searched the App Store) seen in App Store Connect analytics23:19
Sizzle AIcountthousands of ads
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Ads running across ad groups23:45
Sizzle AIconversion rate+10 x
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Purchase conversion of users who start with a particular product/journey vs users roaming the app24:52
Yev's faceless YouTube Shorts channelsviews26M views/monthOne channel's views in the last 28 days, from its dashboard31:40
Yev's faceless YouTube Shorts channelsviews1,000M views
approximate
Lifetime views on the showcased channel (ambiguous whether one video or the channel); another channel has even more31:48
Yev's faceless YouTube Shorts channelscount10 channels
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Faceless viral channels Yev runs (over 10)31:48
benchmarkTikTok minimum ad budget per creative for Yev's outlier testad spendUSD 20per creative
approximate
TikTok minimum per ad; can be switched off after ~$5 spend. Other platforms $5-$20 minimum36:02