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The Superwall Podcast · 2025-12-16

Vahe Baghdasaryan - Our No-Code Apps Made $50M Using THIS Paywall

Vahe Baghdasaryan runs Tangent, a paywall agency, and walks through Superwall paywalls he built for clients. He gives benchmarks (trial start rate 15%+, trial-to-paid 30%+, install-to-paid 4-10%+) and an entertainment app that went from 1.1% to ~4% install-to-paid in five months with no paid UA. Tactics: multi-step paywalls that repeat 'free' many times (Claim, 34% trial start), dropping the trial at Claim, a spin-wheel discount at Cal AI, trial toggles at Rizz and Cal AI, prices hidden behind a button at Quitter, annual-only transaction-abandonment discounts, and adding missing placements.

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Claim · B2C · class action settlement finder app

34% trial start rate; multi-step paywalls lift conversion 20-40% vs one screen

3-screen paywall for a 3-day trial. Screen 1: 'We want you to try Claim for free', with visuals of settlements you could claim. Screen 2: 'We'll send you a reminder before your trial ends', button 'Try for $0'. Screen 3 (main): repeats the reminder, shows a today / reminder / billing timeline, a 'free trial' badge on the plan card. The annual plan is not called annual: the card says 'Try it free' and shows '$59.99 per year, only $1 per week'; the CTA says 'Try for free'. The trial length appears only in the timeline, not on the plan card, to avoid 'I must remember to cancel in 3 days' anxiety. Free is mentioned 5-7 times in total.

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Practitioner pattern · Vahe Baghdasaryan (Sells paywall optimization services (Tangent); all paywalls shown are built on Superwall)

Up to ~10% more abandoned purchases, but a net gain if trial-to-paid is above 30%

On the plan card, replace 'Yearly plan' with 'Try it free' (or 'Redeem 3 days for $0') and put the actual price underneath. Only do it if trial-to-paid is strong (above ~30%); with weak trial-to-paid you may see more refunds or lower install-to-paid. Catch the extra abandoners with a transaction-abandonment paywall.

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Claim · B2C · class action settlement finder app

More revenue without the trial, guest says; no numbers given

Claim had 34% trial start and 50-55% trial-to-paid, so they removed the trial, went paid-only, and started running experiments on the paid paywall. Prerequisites the guest gives: high user volume, strong trial start rate, very strong trial-to-paid, and a pressing problem users are motivated to solve (Claim users can win settlement money that covers the subscription).

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Cal AI · B2C · AI calorie tracking app

Double-digit conversion lift vs a plain discount screen in an A/B test

Discount offer used as an extra placement (on opening the app a second time, on transaction abandonment, or after a trial cancel). Instead of a plain '80% off' paywall, the user sees an animated spin wheel that stops on a discount ('You got 80% off. Tap to get it'); tapping continue opens the discounted paywall. Idea: add excitement and make the discount feel earned. Borrowed from e-commerce popups.

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Multi-step paywall: screen 1 'We want you to try Rizz for free'; screen 2 'You will get a reminder two days before your trial ends'; screen 3 the offer with a trial toggle on by default ('7-day free trial, $9.99 per week'). Turning on 'Skip free trial' drops the price to $6.99/week (~30% off, matching a ~30% trial-to-paid rate). Suited to lower-intent apps and younger users with less buying power.

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Cal AI · B2C · AI calorie tracking app

Some users buy right away, guest says; no numbers

Main paywall has a free-trial toggle; turning it off does not change the price, it just lets users who want to buy now do so and feel in control. Guest uses this for high-intent apps (health and fitness, weight loss) and the discounted version for lower-intent or younger audiences; advises testing both.

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Quitter · B2C · habit quitting app

The biggest win on this paywall, guest says; no numbers

No-trial, 3-page paywall. Page 1: app visual and 'break the cycle today'. Page 2: more features (podcast, leaderboard, articles, breathing exercises). Page 3: real App Store reviews and no prices. Tapping 'Start my journey today' opens a half-screen sheet with just annual and monthly: '60% off sale', 'Limited spots remaining / nine spots available', both priced per month for anchoring (annual $3.33/month, monthly $12.99/month), full price shown on selection; tapping again starts the purchase. Keeps users on the paywall longer and splits social proof from the price decision. The odd $3.33 price (~$40/year) is meant to feel more real than $2.99.

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Practitioner pattern · Vahe Baghdasaryan (Sells paywall optimization services (Tangent); all paywalls shown are built on Superwall)

Weekly or monthly discounts failed in dozens of tests

When the user taps continue and then dismisses Apple's purchase sheet, immediately show a second paywall with a discounted annual plan. Never discount weekly or monthly. Optionally list an undiscounted monthly or weekly plan below as a decoy so the discounted annual looks like a great deal.

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Practitioner pattern · Vahe Baghdasaryan (Sells paywall optimization services (Tangent); all paywalls shown are built on Superwall)

~10% of buyers skip the trial and pay right away

Transaction-abandonment paywall offers the discounted annual plan with a free-trial toggle. With the trial: 80% off. Without the trial: 90% off, to push some users to buy immediately.

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An entertainment app · B2C · Tangent client

Install-to-paid rose from 1.1% to ~4% in five months

Organic entertainment app with steady 40-50K installs/month and no paid UA. From April to September, Tangent added missing paywall placements and ran paywall experiments. Specific tests not described.

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Practitioner pattern · Vahe Baghdasaryan (Sells paywall optimization services (Tangent); all paywalls shown are built on Superwall)

Guest's first step for every new client; no numbers

Audit and add the missing placements first, then start A/B testing: transaction abandonment; session start (at least once per day); after every X core actions (e.g. every N scans in a coin identifier); freemium usage limits ('you are almost out of your 5 free scans, subscribe for unlimited'); an offer after a trial cancel; another after a subscription cancel. Placements are the foundation, not the experiment.

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Tangent · B2B · paywall design and testing agency

Source of the spin wheel and 'limited spots' ideas; guest says it works

When deciding the next test, look at how Temu, Shein and drop-shipping stores present discounts, win-backs and urgency, then adapt the idea to the app's category and audience rather than copying it blindly. Examples used: spin-wheel discount, 'limited spots remaining'.

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Numbers mentioned

WhoMetricValueContextWhen
benchmarkGood trial start rate for free-trial appsconversion rate15%
approximate
install/paywall -> trial start; above 15% is good, below means a lot of work to do4:46
benchmarkGood trial-to-paid rateconversion rate30%
approximate
trial -> paid; above 30% is good4:46
aggregateHealthy apps with 8-11% trial start rate seen by Tangentconversion rate8–11%
estimate
trial start rate; in ~90% of such cases it can easily reach 15%4:46
benchmarkGood install-to-paid rate for non-trial apps with mostly US usersconversion rate10%
approximate
install -> paid; 10%+ is really good, 4-10% is middling5:36
benchmarkMinimum acceptable install-to-paid rateconversion rate4%
approximate
install -> paid; below 4% means a problem5:36
aggregateApps helped by Tangent, per hostrevenue+USD 100K
approximate
Revenue increase in ~3 months from paywall work alone, no new users6:04
Tangent client entertainment app with ~40-50K organic installs/monthdownloads40K–50K installs/month
approximate
Stable organic installs; no paid UA6:37
Tangent client entertainment app with ~40-50K organic installs/monthconversion rate1.1%install -> paid, before Tangent6:37
Tangent client entertainment app with ~40-50K organic installs/monthconversion rate4%
approximate
install -> paid after 5 months of placements + experiments, no paid UA1:11
ClaimpriceUSD 59.99/yearAnnual plan labeled 'Try it free', 3-day trial, shown as ~$1/week12:08
aggregateMulti-step trial paywall vs single-screen 'start free trial' paywall, across Tangent clientsconversion rate+20–40%
approximate
Uplift in conversion; 40% in many cases14:53
Claimconversion rate34%trial start rate with the multi-step trial paywall15:57
Claimconversion rate50–55%
approximate
trial -> paid, before removing the trial16:56
Cal AIconversion ratedouble-digit increase
approximate
Spin-wheel discount presentation vs showing the discount directly (A/B test); exact figure withheld21:59
RizzpriceUSD 9.99/weekDefault: with 7-day free trial22:45
RizzpriceUSD 6.99/week'Skip free trial' toggled: pay now, no trial22:45
QuitterpriceUSD 3.33/monthAnnual plan shown as monthly equivalent (~$40/year)28:52
QuitterpriceUSD 12.99/monthMonthly plan28:52
QuitterpriceUSD 40/year
approximate
Annual price ($3.33 x 12 = $39.96), host's calculation31:57
aggregateUsers choosing the no-trial (deeper discount) option on transaction-abandonment paywalls with a trial toggleshare10%
approximate
share of abandonment-paywall buyers who skip the trial for 90% off instead of 80% off with trial34:30
aggregateApps that name the trial plan 'free' instead of annual/monthlydrop off+10%
estimate
Possible increase in transaction abandonment39:52