Sub Club by RevenueCat · 2023-07-12
Achieving Mission & Profit with Freemium — Erin Webster-Shaller and Paul Apollo, Lose It!
Lose It! VP of Marketing Erin Webster-Shaller and SVP of Operations Paul Apollo on running a mission-driven freemium calorie tracker: a long onboarding that lifted trial starts by double digits, letting users set up premium features before the paywall, why a big 2019 paid acquisition push failed (~10% predicted ROAS), a $10 gift-card referral program that was killed after a year, and in-app messages that earned 10x more than email blasts, plus streak sales, escalating discounts and message timing.
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Numbers mentioned
| Who | Metric | Value | Context | When |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Lose It! | users | 8M users approximate | Users by 2012, per the host's question | 19:48 |
| Lose It! | users | 50M users approximate | Over 50 million users all-time, mostly from word of mouth and organic | 20:58 |
| Lose It! | count | 135M pounds approximate | Total weight lost by users | 20:58 |
| Lose It! | conversion rate | up double digits approximate | Trial take rate (trial start rate) as onboarding was made longer | 14:02 |
| Lose It! | retention | improved approximate | Retention of free users who went through the longer onboarding | 19:18 |
| Lose It! | roas | 0.1 x approximate | ROAS when trying to scale paid acquisition in 2019, predicted from ROAS curves fitted to the first 10 days | 21:47 |
| Lose It! | roas | 0.3–0.4 x estimate | Guess at where the 2019 paid cohorts' observed ROAS would be today, over a five-year timeline | 23:04 |
| MyFitnessPal | price | 2 x approximate | MyFitnessPal premium sticker price relative to Lose It! | 25:20 |
| Noom | price | USD 400/year approximate | Noom annual price, hard paywall | 24:58 |
| Lose It! | cpa | USD 10per referred premium subscriber | $10 gift card paid to the referrer when the referred user upgraded to premium | 27:54 |
| Lose It! | ltv | lower for users exposed to the referral program approximate | LTV of users in the referral program treatment vs control | 29:22 |
| Lose It! | team size | 40 people approximate | Company size when engineering resources were tight (around the onboarding work) | 14:02 |
| Lose It! | count | 40 features approximate | Number of premium features | 10:32 |
| Lose It! | share | 90%/day approximate | Share of daily active users who are 'base' users (neither new nor reactivated); they bring relatively little revenue | 31:49 |
| Lose It! | share | 50% approximate | Share of bookings from new and reactivated users | 37:41 |
| Lose It! | share | 80% approximate | Share of growth team time spent on new and reactivated users | 37:41 |
| Lose It! | conversion rate | single-digit % approximate | Likelihood that a free user who has not converted within 30 days ever converts | 33:14 |
| Lose It! | price | USD 40 illustrative | Full premium price referenced vs a $5 deep discount offered to long-time non-converting users | 31:49 |
| Lose It! | price | USD 5 illustrative | Deepest discount price offered to long-time non-converting free users | 34:13 |
| Lose It! | revenue | +10 x approximate | Revenue per eligible user from in-app messages vs the same offer sent as an email blast (50/50 split of the eligible segment) | 38:37 |