The Superwall Podcast · 2025-11-25
Phoenix Do - Copy This Strategy, It'll Blow Up Your App
Phoenix Do explains how Copia, a manifesting app built from a viral ChatGPT 'day in your dream life' trend, grew mostly on organic TikTok/Instagram: a deadline-hook affirmation format with a phone-screen demo (10M-view video), studying big info-product creators for formats, paying 50K-250K-follower creators at ~$1 CPM, 40 UGC creators via SideShift, a 'crash out' button slideshow (12-13M views), an Astronomer-CEO meme account, and an onboarding rebuild that took paywall reach from ~50% to 85-90%.
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Numbers mentioned
| Who | Metric | Value | Context | When |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Copia | downloads | 100K downloads approximate | Mostly from organic TikTok | 1:29 |
| Copia | mrr | USD 25K approximate | Stated only in the host intro and episode description | 0:27 |
| aggregateTikTok videos of women posting reactions to the ChatGPT 'day in your dream life' prompt | views | 10M–20M viewsper video approximate | 2:49 | |
| Copia | views | 10M viewsper video approximate | Chloe's deadline-hook affirmation video with phone-screen demo, Instagram | 5:10 |
| Copia | views | 6.6M viewsper video | Affirmation video that only name-dropped Copia, without the demo | 6:17 |
| Copia | downloads | +-20–-30% estimate | Guest's estimate of downloads lost on the 6.6M-view video by skipping the demo | 6:17 |
| personSarah Purl, manifesting creator who sells courses and books | followers | 1M followers approximate | Instagram; also 2.5M on TikTok, built over ~2.5 years of repeating the affirmation format | 7:44 |
| personSarah Purl, manifesting creator who sells courses and books | followers | 2.5M followers approximate | TikTok | 7:44 |
| personSarah Purl, manifesting creator who sells courses and books | count | 100K copies approximate | Copies of her affirmations book sold by repeating 'Repeat these affirmations for the next seven days' content | 7:44 |
| benchmarkFollower count of creators to study for monetizable niches and formats | followers | 500K–1M followers approximate | 9:16 | |
| Copia | followers | 50K–250K followersper creator approximate | TikTok follower range of the paid creators they targeted | 10:07 |
| benchmarkTarget CPM when paying small creators for an early-stage app | cpm | USD 1 goal | 10:07 | |
| Copia | conversion rate | 50–55% approximate | Install -> paywall view, original 4-screen onboarding | 11:36 |
| Copia | conversion rate | 15–20% approximate | Paywall -> trial start; guest calls it a decent standard | 11:36 |
| Copia | conversion rate | 85–90% approximate | Install -> paywall after expanding onboarding (up from 50-60%); guest says it doubled conversion | 12:12 |
| Copia | count | 10–20 creators approximate | Good UGC creators hired through the SideShift marketplace | 18:12 |
| Copia | count | 40 creators approximate | Peak number of UGC creators and college ambassadors posting at once | 20:17 |
| Copia | views | 12M viewsper video approximate | Two-slide TikTok slideshow about the 'crash out' button; host reads 13M | 18:12 |
| Copia | downloads | 10K–15K downloadsper video approximate | From the crash-out slideshow (read by host alongside 13M views) | 20:00 |
| Copia | followers | 200K followers approximate | Meme account posing as the Astronomer CEO's daughter | 23:06 |
| Copia | views | 50M views/week estimate | Meme account total views in about a week | 23:06 |
| Copia | views | 5M viewsper video approximate | Meme account's Copia product-placement video | 23:06 |
| Copia | downloads | a couple thousand estimate | From the 5M-view meme-account product placement | 23:06 |
| benchmarkROAS to reach on one paid channel before expanding to others | roas | 2–3 x goal | 22:15 |