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App Masters · 2026-06-27

ASO-First Vibe Coding - Stop Building Apps Nobody Wants

Steve P. Young's solo live stream on 'ASO first': find keywords people already search (popularity ~30, low difficulty), check the results by hand, then build a simple app. Evidence: his JPEG to PDF converter (#1 for two keywords, ~$500/month), another own app ($2-3K/month), an acquired health and fitness app (~$490K/year organic), client apps ($20K/month; $6M/year organic; $5M via Meta), plus his Apple Ads max-conversion and single-keyword ad group setups. Ends with audits of RankPic and an anxiety app.

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A JPEG to PDF converter app · B2C · host's own app

#1 for two keywords; one app ~$500/month, another $2-3K/month, all organic

1) Pull a competitor's indexed keywords in ASOMobile (e.g. enter Endel; sort by search ads popularity). 2) Paste them into App Radar for difficulty (its difficulty seemed most accurate; check traffic against Apple Ads if unsure). 3) Target keywords with popularity ~30+ and difficulty under ~40. 4) Check the real App Store results: if none of the top apps have the keyword in their title and rating counts are beatable, build; if giants with hundreds of thousands of ratings hold it (e.g. 'calorie tracker': Cal AI 330K, MyFitnessPal 2.3M), skip. 5) Pick 2-6 (up to 10) keywords as pairs, work on 2-3 at a time and move to the next pair whether they rank or not. 6) Build with simple features, add a good-enough paywall and onboarding once downloads come, and only build new features after ~5K. JPEG to PDF Converter: #1 for 'JPEG to PDF Converter' and '... Free' (difficulty 46/49; traffic 48 in MobileAction vs 10 in App Radar), #2 for 'JPEG to PDF'.

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A keyword-first subscription app · B2C · App Masters client

$15-17K/month from organic alone; ~$20K/month now with paid added

Chose the app's distribution (ASO) before building. Launched in March 2023 targeting keywords found in advance; two of them worked well early and drove the first revenue, after which the app began ranking for more generic, higher-traffic terms. Paid ads were added later.

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A health and fitness app · B2C · host's acquired app

~$490K last year from organic search; over $1M lifetime since 2024

The sellers followed Steve's YouTube keyword-first model: picked keywords Steve knew existed in a hard niche, built the app, and reached #1 for a small number of keywords with traffic. Hard paywall. Steve advises targeting keywords around 30 popularity and up.

Workedasopaywall
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A health and fitness app · B2C · host's acquired app

Little change in sales or downloads; host's claim, no numbers

After acquiring an app that ranks well organically, scaled its Apple Ads spend way down and watched sales and downloads.

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A health and fitness app · B2C · host's acquired app

~$6-7K/month spend; app stayed profitable; host says clients see it work too

Exact-match campaign where every ad group holds a single keyword (SKAG). Originally done because RevenueCat and MMPs only reported at ad-group level, so one keyword per ad group gave keyword-level revenue data. Kept the setup the seller had built when the app was bought. Spend ~$6-7K last month.

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An app with big Apple Ads budget · B2C · App Masters client

Good ROAS across several clients at $600-$85K/month; one turned unprofitable when pushed higher

Create a campaign with bidding set to Max Conversions (not Manage Bids), a daily budget and a target CPI ($1-2; Apple suggests ~$30/day per $1 of target). Keep Apple's automatic ad group with Search Match on. Add a second ad group with 4-6 relevant keywords that have traffic, on broad match with Search Match on (Steve's feeling: broad keeps Search Match close to those terms). Now also testing a third ad group with the same keywords on exact match, letting the algorithm choose. Target new users only. For apps making ~$1 per install, this is the paid strategy to try.

Workedapple-search-ads
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An app running Apple Ads · B2C · App Masters client

Profitable at first; turned unprofitable when scaled past ~$24K/month

Client was profitable on a Basic+ campaign (~$24K/month) plus max conversion. Spend was scaled up, then the team searched for the level ($10K? $15K?) that still gives positive ROAS.

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A subscription app grown on Meta ads · B2C · App Masters client

$5M in revenue since its 2025 launch

App launched in 2025 relying mainly on Meta (Facebook/Instagram) as its acquisition channel. No setup details given.

Workedpaid-social
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A long-running subscription app · B2C · App Masters client

$6M last year, nearly all organic (app has been around for years)

Older app whose downloads and sales come almost entirely from organic App Store traffic. No details given.

Workedaso
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A keyword-driven app portfolio · B2C · developer the host tracks

Top apps at $200K, $100K, $90K, $50K a month; many others make nothing

Developer builds apps around what people already search for, ranks well for those terms, and keeps launching. Apps launched as recently as September and December 2025 reached ~$100K and ~$90K a month (Sensor Tower estimates).

Workedportfolioaso
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A mental health app · B2C · past App Masters client

'Anxiety relief' converted best of all goals (sleep, calm, stress)

Onboarding asked: do you want to sleep better, feel better, feel calm, stress less, or get anxiety relief? Conversions were compared by answer.

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Rootd · B2C · panic attack relief app

Now #2 for 'anxiety relief' and #1 for 'anxiety' (search score 36)

Founder Anya targeted 'panic attack', a lower-volume but lower-difficulty keyword than 'anxiety relief', to rank first.

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App Masters · 2026-06-27

Practitioner pattern · Steve P. Young (Sells App Masters services and a paid community (App Masters community, 1K Challenge))

Host says it helps US rankings, even if the app isn't sold in Mexico

The Spanish (Mexico) localization is indexed by the US App Store. Put the most valuable keyword in the US title, related keywords in the US subtitle, and more English keywords in the Spanish (Mexico) title and subtitle, even if the app isn't available in Mexico. This fits ~2-10 target keywords across the two title/subtitle pairs.

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App Masters · B2B · app marketing agency

Host says apps with people convert better; no numbers

Use people (a smiling person or couple) in screenshots; Steve does this on his own apps.

Workedaso
App Masters · 2026-06-27

Numbers mentioned

WhoMetricValueContextWhen
marketSubscription app launches per month, all app stores (Appfigures data in RevenueCat State of Subscription Apps)growth rate+7 x
approximate
Monthly subscription app launches up 7x since January 2022; almost all iOS, Android grew about half as fast0:00
marketSubscription app revenue by launch cohort (RevenueCat State of Subscription Apps)share3%Share of the app economy earned by apps launched in 2025 or later ('vibe coding' era)0:00
marketSubscription app revenue by launch cohort (RevenueCat State of Subscription Apps)share69%Share of all subscription revenue earned by apps launched before 20200:00
marketSubscription app revenue by launch cohort (RevenueCat State of Subscription Apps)share5%
approximate
Share of revenue earned by apps launched in 20247:32
marketAll subscription appsshare17%Share of apps that make $1,000 a month7:32
marketPhoto & video category, revenue per install (RevenueCat report)arpuUSD 1.52per install
approximate
Revenue per install; transcript says '152', read as $1.527:32
marketMedia & entertainment category, revenue per install (RevenueCat report)arpuUSD 0.65per install
approximate
Revenue per install; among the lowest categories7:32
marketShopping category, revenue per install (RevenueCat report)arpuUSD 0.58per install
approximate
Revenue per install; lowest category shown7:32
benchmarkMinimum revenue per install for paid marketing to work (Steve's rule)arpuUSD 3per install
approximate
Below ~$3 revenue per install you probably have no paid channel; rely on organic7:32
benchmarkApps launched vs apps that drive revenue (Steve's rule)count30 apps
illustrative
Publish ~30 apps to find the 3-5 that drive revenue7:32
benchmarkAcquisition channels needed to reach $5M ARR (Steve's observation)count1–2 channels
approximate
Main ones: ASO, Apple Ads, Meta7:32
benchmarkTarget App Store keyword popularity for an ASO-first app (Steve's rule)keyword popularity30 score
approximate
Target keywords with a search score of ~30 and up, where low-difficulty terms are; aim for difficulty under 4012:57
benchmarkMaximum keyword difficulty Steve looks forkeyword difficulty40 score
approximate
Look for difficulty under 40, then confirm by checking the actual search results23:35
benchmarkWhen to start building new features (Steve's opinion)revenueUSD 5,000/month
estimate
Build new features only once the app reaches '5K and up' (unit not stated; his milestones are monthly revenue). He considered 10K.22:24
benchmarkApple's recommended minimum daily budget for an Apple Ads max-conversion campaignad spendUSD 30/dayApple recommends ~$30/day for a $1 target CPI ($60/day for $2); optional23:35
marketUS App Store keyword 'sleep apnea' (ASOMobile)keyword popularity32 scoreFound via Rootd's indexed keywords; the fifth-ranked app is weak, so a good keyword for a sleep/snore app47:46
App recently acquired by App Masters (~$35K/month)revenueUSD 1M
approximate
Lifetime revenue since 2024 launch ('over $1 million')7:32
App recently acquired by App Masters (~$35K/month)revenueUSD 35K/month
approximate
April revenue7:32
App recently acquired by App Masters (~$35K/month)revenueUSD 490K/year
approximate
Last year's revenue from organic sources (App Store Connect sales by source type)7:32
App recently acquired by App Masters (~$35K/month)ad spendUSD 6,000–7,000/month
approximate
Apple Ads spend on the single-keyword-ad-group exact match campaign last month23:35
Host's JPEG to PDF converter apprank1 rankUS App Store rank for 'JPEG to PDF Converter' and 'JPEG to PDF Converter Free'12:57
Host's JPEG to PDF converter apprank2 rankUS App Store rank for 'JPEG to PDF'22:24
Host's JPEG to PDF converter apprevenueUSD 500/month
approximate
Utility app; downloads decent but lower than hoped12:57
Host's JPEG to PDF converter appkeyword popularity48 scoreTraffic score for 'JPEG to PDF Converter' per MobileAction; App Radar says 10 for the same term12:57
Host's JPEG to PDF converter appkeyword difficulty46–49 scoreDifficulty of the two keywords it ranks #1 for12:57
Host's other ASO-first app (~$2-3K/month)revenueUSD 2,000–3,000/month
approximate
All organic; later given as ~$2,30012:57
App Masters client older ASO-only app ($6M last year)revenueUSD 6M/year
approximate
Last year's revenue, almost all organic (long-running app with recurring revenue)7:32
App Masters client Meta-driven app launched in 2025revenueUSD 5M
approximate
Revenue since 2025 launch, mainly from Meta ads7:32
App Masters client ASO-first app (~$20K/month)revenueUSD 20K/month
approximate
Current monthly revenue with paid ads added; one of the client's biggest apps12:57
App Masters client ASO-first app (~$20K/month)revenueUSD 15K–17K/month
approximate
Monthly revenue reached with organic (ASO) alone, before paid12:57
Multi-app developer Steve tracks in Sensor TowerrevenueUSD 200K/month
estimate
Top app's revenue per Sensor Tower; other apps at $100K, $90K, $50K; many make nothing12:57
Multi-app developer Steve tracks in Sensor TowerrevenueUSD 100K/month
estimate
App launched September 2025 (Sensor Tower estimate); another launched December 2025 makes ~$90K12:57
App Masters Apple Ads client ($55-85K/month)ad spendUSD 55K–85K/month
approximate
Apple Ads spend managed by App Masters23:35
App Masters Apple Ads client (~$12K/month)ad spendUSD 12K/month
approximate
Apple Ads spend; 'doing pretty well'23:35
App Masters Apple Ads client scaled up from ~$6.6K/monthad spendUSD 600/month
approximate
Spend on the max-conversion campaign (alongside ~$6K on the Basic+ campaign), both with good ROAS; since scaled up23:35
App Masters Apple Ads client scaled up from ~$6.6K/monthad spendUSD 6,000/month
approximate
Spend on the Basic+ Apple Ads campaign, with good ROAS23:35
App Masters Apple Ads client spending $24K on Basic+ad spendUSD 24K/month
approximate
Spend on the Basic+ Apple Ads campaign (plus a max-conversion campaign); became unprofitable when scaled23:35
Rootdrank2 rankApp Store rank for 'anxiety relief', reached after starting with the 'panic attack' keyword47:46
Rootdkeyword popularity36 scoreSearch score of 'anxiety', a keyword Rootd ranks #1 for (ASOMobile)47:46
RootdpriceUSD 60–70
approximate
Plan prices seen on the App Store listing47:46
Maddy's anxiety and panic attack apppriceUSD 40
approximate
Plan price; host thinks it is too cheap for a painkiller problem47:46
Maddy's anxiety and panic attack appcount9 ratingsApp Store ratings at time of audit47:46
Cal AIcount330K ratingsApp Store ratings, seen when checking the 'calorie tracker' search results23:35
MyFitnessPalcount2.3M ratingsApp Store ratings, seen in the 'calorie tracker' search results23:35