The Superwall Podcast · 2025-12-30
Matt Gittleson - Our app makes $750k/mo thanks to this UGC strategy
Matt Gittleson founded Citesure, a fake-citation checker whose first founder-filmed TikTok got 245K views. Jenni AI acqui-hired him after a casual Instagram DM. He now runs Jenni's UGC program: 0 to 150 creators and 75M views at under $2 CPM in about 3 months. He picks creators from unrelated niches for 'camera charisma' (emotive, good first frame, a natural talker), coaches them over time, and writes polarizing 'engagement bait' overlays; one got 30M views on X. Also: recruiting DMs, building 'viral sense' by scrolling, and building product backwards from TikTok formats.
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Numbers mentioned
| Who | Metric | Value | Context | When |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jenni AI | mrr | USD 775K/month approximate | The description also says past $775K MRR | 2:44 |
| Jenni AI | revenue | USD 750K/month approximate | Title figure; the body says $775K MRR | 2:44 |
| Jenni AI | users | 5M–6M users approximate | Used as social proof in creator outreach DMs | 16:05 |
| Jenni AI | views | 75M views approximate | UGC program views in ~3 months since August 2025 | 4:57 |
| Jenni AI | cpm | USD 2 approximate | Blended cost per 1,000 views across the UGC program (upper bound) | 4:57 |
| Jenni AI | count | 150 creators approximate | Creators brought into the UGC program in ~3 months, in different forms | 4:57 |
| Jenni AI | count | 80 creators/month | Creators signed in the first month; this was also the target, hit right at the deadline | 13:30 |
| benchmarkTypical mass creator outreach on Instagram/TikTok, per the host | conversion rate | 10–20% estimate | DM -> response. Host adds 20-50% of responders then negotiate or get on a call. Matt says Jenni's rates are lower because non-influencers rarely check DMs and are skeptical. | 14:45 |
| Jenni AI | conversion rate | lower than the 10-20% typical response rate; closing rate on calls quite high estimate | DM -> response and response -> call rates for creator outreach | 15:38 |
| personJenni AI's best creator last month; beauty-niche creator with no prior UGC experience | count | 25 videos approximate | Videos posted before one got above 10K views | 12:03 |
| personJenni AI's best creator last month; beauty-niche creator with no prior UGC experience | creator pay | USD 5,000/month estimate | Over $5K in one month, largely from performance bonuses | 12:03 |
| Citesure | views | 245.6K viewsper video | Founder's first-ever TikTok (after five meme posts), long-URL talking-to-phone format | 19:24 |
| Jenni AI | views | 30M views approximate | Organic views on X after someone screenshotted creator Ruby's 5-second 'girl in the library' TikTok | 28:35 |
| Jenni AI | views | 15M views approximate | The quote tweet defending the creator in the X debate | 32:01 |
| Jenni AI | views | 1.5M viewsper video approximate | Creator Ruby's 'professor said zero' video with a direct Jenni AI call to action | 36:03 |
| Jenni AI | views | +2,000 x approximate | View ratio between two near-identical videos (same script, same creator) posted 3 days apart | 24:33 |
| Citesure | time to milestone | 4–5 months approximate | From the first Instagram DM (February) to the acquisition closing | 53:17 |